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term='Tea Party'/><category term='pastor'/><category term='washington'/><title type='text'>The Foggy Blogger</title><subtitle type='html'></subtitle><link rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#feed' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/posts/default'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default?max-results=100'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/'/><link rel='hub' href='http://pubsubhubbub.appspot.com/'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><generator version='7.00' uri='http://www.blogger.com'>Blogger</generator><openSearch:totalResults>42</openSearch:totalResults><openSearch:startIndex>1</openSearch:startIndex><openSearch:itemsPerPage>100</openSearch:itemsPerPage><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-1583314958668168242</id><published>2010-11-18T14:53:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-11-18T16:57:36.194-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Lausanne Movement'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Rene Padilla'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='poverty'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Missions'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Intervarsity'/><title type='text'>Lausanne Movement and Missions..</title><content type='html'>Ok raise your hands if you've heard of the &lt;a href="http://www.lausanne.org/cape-town-2010"&gt;Lausanne Movement&lt;/a&gt;?If you have, what's your christian background and where did you learn about it? My guess is the majority of people who've heard of it are either seminarians or from a more liberal/mainline denomination. I know for myself i didn't hear about this movement until i went to seminary. But by my second year of being a Christian i knew all about Urbana.  Ironically it was the Lausanne movement that opened the door for mission organizations and conferences like the Urbana and now its barely a blip on the pew-sitters conferences to fund-raise for list.  &lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;While I could spend hours on why this conference has decreased in visible influence, i would instead like to interact with a &lt;a href="http://www.kairos.org.ar/blog/?p=469"&gt;critique C. Rene Padilla&lt;/a&gt; had of the conference in South Africa. It was helpfully translated at the &lt;a href="http://thesuburbanchristian.blogspot.com/"&gt;Suburban Christian.&lt;/a&gt; Dr. Padilla's critiques as a whole are not new. In fact i've heard variations of this theme for some time. But it seems to be ignored by the West or simply not acted upon.  Why? Don't get me started ;)&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;However he makes two critiques that are starting to become an issue.  A. The West/North America are ignorant of unreached people groups in their midst.  B. The wealth of the West and its dichotomy between evangelism and social justice. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Lets tackle A. This is a very salient critique. I was at Urbana last year and most all the booths concentrated either on missions overseas or on urban/poverty missions. Most everyone was portrayed as the other (read "not middle-class americans"). But here's what Padilla is picking up on, "Missions in American are not viewed as reaching out to unreached people groups, but instead are cast as social justice missions." The question for further pondering and research is "why".  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I have a few good guesses. Guess #1 it is generally assumed that everyone who lives here has been exposed in some form or another to Christianity. Which of course raises the question of whether or not they have truly been 'reached'.  Guess #2  'Urban Ministry' just sounds sexier than 'Mission to unreached people poor people in the urban ghetto'.  Which brings me to Guess #3 White Guilt. Simply put, because white people feel guilty about their wealth and history they are working out that guilt by participating in Urban Ministry. Let me be clear i'm not knocking their work or ministry, because if God's in it, then its valuable. But I do think what Padilla's critique is pointing out, is that our lack of creativity and purposeful ignorance about the situation in our own backyard is hindering/impeding the spread of the gospel and partnership within the body of Christ.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Which brings me to B. Wealth and Dichotomy.  Yes there's alot of wealth in the West, but that wealth is starting to fade or be transferred to places like China/India. The problem isn't the wealth but the dichotomy between evangelism and social justice. If we had a better theology of wealth and how to use it best serve God instead of how to preserve your piece of the pie then the current dichotomy would not exist. In order to understand where and why of the dichotomy between evangelism and social justice you have to have a working knowledge of the history of evangelicalism in America, about which most Christians today are completely ignorant. I dont have enough space or time for that, so i'll just recommend some &lt;a href="http://www.nd.edu/~gmarsden/"&gt;George Marsden&lt;/a&gt; for those who really care ;)  &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;However the upshot is that many Americans are unwilling to critically look at their culture and their evangelical theology and see how it continues to entrap people into cycles of poverty and alienate them from the church.  In the 70's and 80's political conservatism and theological conservatism became deeply entwined, much to the deficit of both groups.  This entanglement has further alienated unreached people groups and drove deeper the wedge between faith and justice.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;A further issue is the change in the way missions were funded in the 20th century.  With the rise of para-church institutions missionary work became an individual calling and endeavor.  With the seal of Holy Spirit approval being ones ability to fundraise their own support. What this has done is left the work of evangelism to the well connected and wealthy. I come from a culture where fundraising is viewed as begging. If i were to visit churches and ask for money, my family would be deeply ashamed.  So even though i have much to contribute, there is no opening for me to serve under this model of missions. Yet we cling to this paradigm, even in these hard times. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I didn't go to Lausanne, i'm only just beginning to sort through some of their documents. But until we have another movement that will change the paradigm for missions and theology like the ones the rocked the 20th century, conference like Lausanne will have little impact in the West and other parts of the world. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-1583314958668168242?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/1583314958668168242/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=1583314958668168242&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/1583314958668168242'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/1583314958668168242'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2010/11/lausanne-movement-and-missions.html' title='Lausanne Movement and Missions..'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-5316702043527697636</id><published>2010-07-21T11:31:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-07-21T14:07:53.515-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='New York Times'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Redemption'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='church'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='China'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Identity'/><title type='text'>The essence of memory and heritage...</title><content type='html'>In the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"&gt;NYTimes&lt;/span&gt; today i stumbled across two articles that got me thinking about identity, memory and grace.&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;The first article i read was about the bulldozing of &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/21/world/asia/21beijing.html"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1"&gt;Beijing's&lt;/span&gt; &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2"&gt;hutongs&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;. It seems that in the rush to modernization and make money, many &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_3"&gt;Chinese&lt;/span&gt; cities are razing and replacing their old neighborhoods with sky rises. Which of course is concerning to the people who &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_4"&gt;don't&lt;/span&gt; live there and somewhat concerned with those who do. Many of the debates revolve around the preservation of cultural memory and neighborly connections. After all how many of us really know the people who live around us. When was the last time you invited your neighbors over for a &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_5"&gt;bbq&lt;/span&gt;. It seems to me that in the US we're good at forming friendships with people we share interests with or similar lifestyles or life-stages with. (parent's groups/&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_6"&gt;facebook&lt;/span&gt;/bible-study) but we're not so good anymore at knocking on a neighbor's door and getting to know them. (there are notable exceptions, &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_7"&gt;I'm&lt;/span&gt; sure!) &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I grew up in a teeny tiny town, and all my neighbors knew me and my extended relatives. This sounds like that these neighbors are small towns within a larger one.  These places have literally existed for thousands of years.  You did everything with your neighbors, even bathe and shared toilets.  But the houses were drafty and hard to keep clean. So yeah, a shiny new apartment is very attractive if you live in those areas! It seems that these residents are faced with a rock and a hard place in terms of choices. They can have a warm, clean place to live, but they lose contact with the way of life and people they have known all their lives. They trade community for modernity and perhaps opportunity.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;As i was mulling this over i ran into another article in the Times about the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_8"&gt;internet&lt;/span&gt; its &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/07/25/magazine/25privacy-t2.html?_r=1&amp;amp;ref=global-home&amp;amp;pagewanted=all"&gt;&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_9"&gt;looong&lt;/span&gt; digital memory and general lack of privacy.&lt;/a&gt;  It tells the story about a woman who was kicked out of her program and had to change careers because of a single photo on her &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_10"&gt;myspace&lt;/span&gt; profile, from 4 years earlier.  The thought occurred to me that we in the west are on the other side of obliterating our communities and physical connections and replacing them with our &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_11"&gt;internet&lt;/span&gt; connections. But on the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_12"&gt;internet&lt;/span&gt; there is no context and it appears no willingness to forgive even minor, youthful indiscretions. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But in small towns, sometimes the sins of the fathers, visit the children, entrapping them into that role. I have seen this up close and personal. There were several families in the small town i lived in that were entrapped by encyclical poverty. It seemed as if these kids were branded with failure once they were born and the townspeople would shrug and look the other way. So leaving was a way that many escaped this curse, to create new opportunities.  But the &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_13"&gt;internet&lt;/span&gt; may ruin even the possibility for reinvention and perhaps continue the polarization of our society. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;What does occur to me is that China is in many ways following in our footsteps. That is what is scaring many western tourists, because we are living with the repercussion of our own industrial revolution, with its many unintended consequences in terms of our lives and communities. Which left us, in many ways, ill-equipped to handle the information revolution. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This leads me to a whole series of theological questions that i think we in the current christian community are asking, but afraid to answer. Questions about grace. When do we allow someone to make a clean break? Can we forgive someone even if we are constantly reminded of their past? What role does the church and community play in the west, in our fractured identities and communities. What does this forced integration of identities and selves means for the gospel? I'll be pondering that for a while....&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-5316702043527697636?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/5316702043527697636/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=5316702043527697636&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/5316702043527697636'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/5316702043527697636'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2010/07/essence-of-memory-and-heritage.html' title='The essence of memory and heritage...'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-1520032037530620807</id><published>2010-06-20T22:07:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-06-20T22:42:23.466-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='mother&apos;s day'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='fatherhood'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='parenting'/><title type='text'>On fathering...</title><content type='html'>I am not a father, nor will i ever be one. But i have a father and have observed many throughout the years. So here we are at the tail end of father's day. A holiday that has been overshadowed for years by Mother's Day. (Perhaps to compensate for the injustices women have historically suffered?) I can't help but notice that we are living in interesting times for dads!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The New York Times recently ran an article on &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/06/10/world/europe/10iht-sweden.html"&gt;fatherhood in Sweden&lt;/a&gt; which did tempt many of my friends of both sexes to relocate there! Why? Well because in Europe, father's get equal treatment in terms of days off! But at the same time there has been &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0"&gt;push back&lt;/span&gt; from traditionalists who want to go back to the June Cleaver days of pressed undies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I found myself wondering today about how one &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-corrected" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1"&gt;knows&lt;/span&gt; if they're a good father? What does it mean to be a good father these days? There seems to be &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_2"&gt;a lot&lt;/span&gt; of messages and opinions out there on this topic. It seems like we are all wandering around and having to make our own paths. What are your thoughts?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-1520032037530620807?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/1520032037530620807/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=1520032037530620807&amp;isPopup=true' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/1520032037530620807'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/1520032037530620807'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/on-fathering.html' title='On fathering...'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-4436514940213733409</id><published>2010-06-07T00:48:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-06-07T01:11:50.213-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Oil Slick'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Tarballs'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='prayer'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='BP'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Gulf of Mexico'/><title type='text'>Tarballs of the soul...</title><content type='html'>What can i say about what's unfolding in the Gulf right now. My heart breaks, my soul groans and reeks? Those seem like trite and overused metaphors for the sticky thick grief that has settled over me while watching this slow moving tragedy unfold.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The hidden currents of greed, corruption, amorality are now made visible with the introduction of the toxic sludge. We can fly over and see them swirling below, killing everything they come into contact with. Those who are untouched by the oil are touched by shame and frustration.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This oil is a visible reminder that humanity is a destructive creation. Our destructiveness is kept in check by boundaries given by God and ourselves.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And  yet, out of destruction there is hope that great good can be done. With a little help, perhaps our oil-soaked robes will be made clean yet...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;Let us all pray for those who are affected by the Gulf Tragedy and let us find work together to find solutions that will clean our waters and restore us to a more humane way of living on this earth and with each other...&lt;/span&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-4436514940213733409?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/4436514940213733409/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=4436514940213733409&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/4436514940213733409'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/4436514940213733409'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2010/06/tarballs-of-soul.html' title='Tarballs of the soul...'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-4917816060343332620</id><published>2010-05-21T17:13:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2010-05-21T18:28:56.094-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='immigration'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='glenn beck'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='christianity today'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='arizona'/><title type='text'>arizona, tea partiers, primaries... what's a christian to think?</title><content type='html'>The news these days is hard to watch. There's alot of talking heads and interviews with angry peoples across the nation. Alot of signs, fear and frustration out there. I'm almost afraid to turn on my newsfeeds and NPR!&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Unfortunately most christian's blog post or &lt;a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ct/2010/mayweb-only/30.53.0.html"&gt;engagement &lt;/a&gt;with what's going on in the States goes like this:   &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;*Insert Bible Verses to justify current political/cultural position here and argue passionately for your position*&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I find myself wondering "when did American Christendom become so balkanized?" Oh wait, i know the answer... the 20th century. When the fundamentalists/modernist swore each other into eternal damnation.   While i would love to get all academic-y here, i dont have the brain power or the footnote space. So a few summary sentences. In the late 19th and most of the 20th century there was an epic war among christians over just who Jesus was and who had the truth. Tree's, Ink and tons of Hot Air were spewed arguing over who was right and who had the corner on biblical  hermeneutics. It was a very creative, but a very polarizing time to be a christian in the mainline. Many of our newer denominations were started during this time. Also a number of our Para-church organizations came out of this turbulence.  Christianity Today has nicely compiled a &lt;a href="http://www.christianitytoday.com/ch/2006/issue92/13.44.html"&gt;reading list &lt;/a&gt;for those who want to delve deeper.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;While i have a lot of frustration with the current climate of political debate and discussion in the States right now. I find myself seeing echoes of the debates and imbroglios that roiled evangelicalism in the century prior. While i kept hoping for people to burn themselves out, instead i think this is one of the few cases where the church was ahead of the curve.  The purity tests, reluctance to dialogue and find a middle ground are all reminiscent of some of the battles that were fought among conservative believers. In fact for those who have studied american church history its not a surprise that its conservative christian politicians who are leading the resistance/naysayers to any policy change or law they do not agree with. &lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;I find myself wondering if perhaps the fundamentalist/modernist wars were a battleground practice for the current flare up in American politics....&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-4917816060343332620?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/4917816060343332620/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=4917816060343332620&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/4917816060343332620'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/4917816060343332620'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2010/05/arizona-tea-partiers-primaries-whats.html' title='arizona, tea partiers, primaries... what&apos;s a christian to think?'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-9122041881241483016</id><published>2010-03-05T16:23:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2010-03-05T18:00:26.732-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='New York Times'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='health care'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Tea Party'/><title type='text'>Something that's been bothering me...</title><content type='html'>While i've been out of commission in terms of blogging i've been reading alot. Its about all that i've had the energy for this past many months...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;After two editorials in the &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/"&gt;NYtimes &lt;/a&gt;one by &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/23/opinion/23iht-edcohen.html?scp=1&amp;amp;sq=narcissus%20society&amp;amp;st=cse"&gt;Roger Cohen&lt;/a&gt; and one by &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/05/opinion/05brooks.html?bl"&gt;David Brooks&lt;/a&gt; crystallized what had been bothering about the whole debate and the general dialogue on health care and government.  David Brooks says it best &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;"Members of both movements believe in what you might call mass innocence. Both movements are built on the assumption that the people are pure and virtuous and that evil is introduced into society by corrupt elites and rotten authority structures. “Man is born free, but he is everywhere in chains,” is how Rousseau put it."&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ding!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Atonement, that's whats been bothering me. There are several different understandings of atonement and what Jesus accomplished on the cross, but one thing that is the same throughout is that  all agree that humans are essentially evil/sin-filled walking sacks who are born that way and destined to die that way. Yes i know i've drastically simplified the theology, but this is a blog post, not a paper or academic abstract.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's what's been bothering me is that given the human propensity towards evil, it is obvious that we need safeguards in place to protect the weak and the defenseless. In addition without a sense of the common good or community, humanity has a dreadful proclivity towards selfishness and Darwinian self reliance.  While if you're not a christian, or claim to be a bible thumper, you can be as selfish as you want to be.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But its been the movement of Tea Party idealogy into conservative Christianity that has really got me bothered. Where is the biblical basis of small govt and taking care of yourself and only yourself? Where is the biblical basis of not sharing the burden of living with those in your community.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And finally for the last time, politics and theology are not separate spheres. They inform one another, you faith/theology/worldview inform your politics and if you claim to be a bible believing christian, then you have no business attending the Tea Party or similar movements that preach self-reliance and individual liberty. Sorry, there's no scriptural basis for those ideologies.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;*whew*&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-9122041881241483016?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/9122041881241483016/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=9122041881241483016&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/9122041881241483016'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/9122041881241483016'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2010/03/something-thats-been-bothering-me.html' title='Something that&apos;s been bothering me...'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-8355676833334558452</id><published>2009-11-20T18:30:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-11-20T19:02:00.093-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Trinity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Thanksgiving'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Community'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Holidays'/><title type='text'>Thankfulness...</title><content type='html'>*whoooo/pat/pat/blow* *cough/cough* Now that i've gotten the dust off this blog...&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;This has been quite a year for the fogster! Between the ADHD diagnosis and the car accident involving three members of my immediate family, plus having a relative move into my small studio, i haven't had time for much else!&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;But here we are just before the holiday season, perched and waiting for the tsunami that is thanksmas to hit and carry us off into the food and spending binges of the season, and i find myself wanting to step out and just be thankful.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Alot has happened this year, but we all survived and with the help of church, friends, family....my community i got through it. With the wisdom and love from not just jesus, but the holy spirit and the father, i not only got through it, but i'm on the other side and ready to start again, with a fresh, but changed slate.&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div&gt;Thanks,&lt;/div&gt;&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-8355676833334558452?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/8355676833334558452/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=8355676833334558452&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/8355676833334558452'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/8355676833334558452'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2009/11/thankfulness.html' title='Thankfulness...'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-543123471069237147</id><published>2009-06-14T00:52:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-06-14T00:55:22.074-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Ok... so  much for the comeback..</title><content type='html'>Well shortly after posting that i'm planning to start blogging again, things went bad... Between friends going crazy and a bad car accident involving three members of my immediate family, its been hard to blog. But i do have some things i've been kicking around. Once i know for sure everyone is going to be ok, in about a week, i hope to post some thing's i've been working on.  So apologies for the drop out, but hopefully i can pick back up again by July! Hopefully!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-543123471069237147?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/543123471069237147/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=543123471069237147&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/543123471069237147'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/543123471069237147'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2009/06/ok-so-much-for-comeback.html' title='Ok... so  much for the comeback..'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-6835150041616313659</id><published>2009-04-19T14:23:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2009-04-19T14:24:31.950-07:00</updated><title type='text'>The fogster is attempting a comeback..</title><content type='html'>Alot has been going on in the fogster world these past few weeks, ok months. I found out that i have ADHD and have started meds and added another part-time job to my schedule. But things are finally calming down and i hope to get back to semi-regular posting!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The fogster...&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-6835150041616313659?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/6835150041616313659/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=6835150041616313659&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/6835150041616313659'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/6835150041616313659'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2009/04/fogster-is-attempting-comeback.html' title='The fogster is attempting a comeback..'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-2524536259662533237</id><published>2009-02-28T22:07:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-28T22:08:59.103-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Lenten devotional</title><content type='html'>The Fogster has been swamped this month but does plan to post something soon. In the meantime, a friend shared this with me, so let me share this with you!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;http://isaacblog.wordpress.com/2009/02/17/isaac-2009-lenten-devotional/&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;May it bless you  during this Lenten season!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fogster&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-2524536259662533237?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/2524536259662533237/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=2524536259662533237&amp;isPopup=true' title='2 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/2524536259662533237'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/2524536259662533237'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2009/02/lenten-devotional.html' title='Lenten devotional'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>2</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-3970019937351877584</id><published>2009-02-07T23:24:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-07T23:43:39.788-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='theodicy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='depression'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Mental Illness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='health care'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='christianity'/><title type='text'>Why are christians so squirrely about...</title><content type='html'>mental illness?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I have tried to understand this, but just dont get it. I guess for me, i view mental illness as something along the line of diabetes. Sometimes you're born with it and sometimes life and life choices curse you with it. Either way, its an illness and there's treatment. We dont look down or fear people with diabetes, we simply make sure we got sugar free snacks. Why cant we do the same for the mentally ill? Make sure they take their meds, keep them out of situations that upset them and practice grace for the days they freak out.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Sure there's the issue of possession and healing, and all that spiritual stuff. And can it happen...sure? But lets be honest, those cases, esp in the West are rare. Of course this could get into dicey theological conversations about theodicy and suffering, i'll save that for another time. But i guess i figure that the brain is flesh too and that means it's also susceptible to illness too. So why should we be surprised when peoples brains malfunction?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What are your thoughts?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-3970019937351877584?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/3970019937351877584/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=3970019937351877584&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/3970019937351877584'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/3970019937351877584'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2009/02/why-are-christians-so-squirrely-about.html' title='Why are christians so squirrely about...'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-183860138955387926</id><published>2009-02-05T21:06:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-02-05T23:16:32.354-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sonlight'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sunday school'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Martin Luther'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='church history'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Calvin'/><title type='text'>Kids and Church...</title><content type='html'>The Fogster ran across &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2009/02/05/opinion/05coontz.html"&gt;this article about children and their impact on marriage&lt;/a&gt; the other day. Then there's the octuplet mess... don't even get me started on that! But all this talk of babies and family got me thinking about kids and church and the high dropout rate once they leave the nest.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Having knocked around a few churches and now watching friends kids going through sunday school programs, i find myself unsatisfied.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems that we are very good at teaching kids that Jesus loves them (this they know!) Most kids know the bible stories (edited for parental approval) But no sense of the saints that went before.  If these kids go to non-denom churches, then they dont even know who Martin Luther was! So they get into college and start reading, and asking questions, and uh oh... Those silly sunday school songs just aren't enough to sustain a more mature faith.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I think we should start petitioning the suppliers of sunday school materials for more in depth content. I think we should start sending sunday school teachers to seminary... or at least a somewhat  watered down version. Most cant even tell you the difference between Calvin and Luther&lt;del&gt; and why dispensationalism is a 20th century heresy that needs to stop!&lt;/del&gt;After all why should the catholics and anglicans have all the cool church history sunday school classes!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The reality is that we cant have community if we dont have history.Your church and theology were not formed in a vacuum. Jesus saves but your community breathes! What got us here? Is a rosary a bad thing? Are all christians who lived before luther/calvin/wesley condemned to hell?Instead of preaching to our kids abstinence and purity and other worthless time wasters, why not teach them the history of the church and have them plow through Augustine? Lets talk about Hosea and Tamar and just what was Ruth doing in Boaz's threshing floor? Churches should take the lead and teach about how we got the bible and what does it mean that there were different canons until a few key councils hundreds of years later?! Also what should we do with the pseudopigraphia? (try saying that ten times with your tongue twisted!).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally, we can "teach the bible" all we want, but if its not lived in the circle of family and community, then sunday school is a waste. But it appears to me that adults and kids are currently living in spiritual/historical amnesia and have forgotten the martyrs who died to get us here. And that is a great shame...&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-183860138955387926?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/183860138955387926/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=183860138955387926&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/183860138955387926'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/183860138955387926'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2009/02/kids-and-church.html' title='Kids and Church...'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-1826891897093269743</id><published>2009-01-20T18:38:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-01-20T19:14:56.193-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='MLK'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='washington'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='barack obama'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='hope'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='inauguration'/><title type='text'>Some conflicting thoughts on this historical day</title><content type='html'>Today is one for the history books, yes indeed. We finally elected a black man, and yet i find myself guarded.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For one the dialogue in america on race is almost exclusively about black and white relations. What about the other minorities and people of mixed heritage (like myself)? My family has suffered discrimination on two fronts; race and class. I put myself through college and gazillions of loans. I'll be paying them off for the rest of my life. There is no african american ancestry in my family, but our collective experience of poverty and racism was/is in many ways just as painful.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When i look at Barack's family i cant help but notice his asian sister and his niece. I wonder if he will be able to widen the dialogue, to include all people of color. We all have our painful histories in this country. That pain is deserving of dialogue, restitution and healing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Poverty is another area that i hope he will address. I encounter a number of very harmful attitudes about poverty in America. We say that anyone can make it, but the reality is that few have the capability.  Obama may have been black, but he had several advantages that many lack. The first being he had an educated mother who valued education. This automatically jumps him into the middle class. He had a relatively stable family. His grandmother helped raise him. He grew up in hawaii and asia, there are very different attitude towards poverty in those parts of the world. Finally Barack is hella smart. I have family members who are sweet but physically/mentally/emotionally incapable of working. They live on peanuts. There is no free ride in America. In America we have to be careful about what we say about people of other races, but if you're fat and poor, you might as well be walking with a target on your belly.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I pray that Barack might be able to educate and enlighten people about poverty in the US. Especially in this economy. We need to have an honest dialogue that is free of myths, like the majority of people on welfare are black/hispanic and/or lazy. And have a dialogue that includes the ignored rural poor. Many of whom live in conditions similar to people in developing countries. Our general attitude is that if they wanted to work, they could, but refuse. Reality is much more complicated. Poverty is more like a mixed up rubiks cube, some peoples cubes are missing the stickers. They deserve dignity in life too. Just as there are different algorithms to solving a rubiks cube, we are going to have to use different algorithms for different situations to solve poverty in America.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally health care including mental health care. This is a mess. I have no idea where to start. But i do know that it has become a moral issue. There is rampant corruption and greed. Much like in Wall Street. It certainly has been a contributing factor to the downturn. After all you get cancer, lose your job, you're done. Because you got sick, the health insurance companies will make sure you never dig yourself out of debt. This is a corruption we must kill. People don't choose to get sick/cancer/injured/maimed... why punish them for something they cant control? The mental health system is even sicker. People who could be working/contributing/functioning are instead begging on sidewalks or on general assistance because they cant afford the therapy and meds they need to function. Worse yet, some get a hold of weapons and listen to the voices in their heads.... We need to come to grips with the reality of mental illness and its price on our society.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So yeah, i'm hopeful, glad to have seen such a historical day. But im guarded in my hope. I've heard alot of promises and seen alot of passion in my day. I just hope that the energy will continue and that we as American's will answer the call for service and pass the hope that we've gotten from one man, to many out there who have no hope. After all he can make all sorts of promises, but if we just sit on the sidelines, nothing will get done. And he'll end up just being another politician, full of promises, but unable to deliver.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-1826891897093269743?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/1826891897093269743/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=1826891897093269743&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/1826891897093269743'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/1826891897093269743'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/some-conflicting-thoughts-on-this.html' title='Some conflicting thoughts on this historical day'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-7631263580135826532</id><published>2009-01-15T20:38:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2009-01-15T21:03:16.091-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='NT Wright'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Bad Apologetics'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Lee Strobel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Biola'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Azusa'/><title type='text'>The Case for Faith...</title><content type='html'>So today, i subjected myself to Lee Strobel's DVD about theodicy (he uses the less technical term, "doubt".)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Some thoughts that went through my head:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lee Strobel has a weird accent, is he Canadian?(quick google search...guess not)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why are all the experts from Biola? What Fuller (my alma mater *wink*) too academic/not theologically sound enough? How bout an expert from Azusa or Westmont if we're gonna use SoCal christian universities. While I'm at it, why not pull in someone from the GTU or Union for a *ahem* different perspective?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Who the hell is Greg Koukl? Egads have i really drifted that far from the evangelical mainstream?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why is NT Wright on this DVD. NT Wright rocks! NT Wright is my new evangelical christian academic hero!!! Why is NT Wright on the DVD?! NT Wright, please don't let them brainwash you! Why are all my fave evangelical academics from the British Isles? (cool accents, different baggage?)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What cheap emotional ploy to use Joni Eareckson Tada to prove some lame point about perseverance through doubt. I'm starting to feel manipulated... (insert visual of me with scribbles above head) Wha? her name is pronounced like johnny not joanie...weird...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;oooo pretty pictures with scripture..... why?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What? That was it? What was the case for faith? How does scripture deal with theodicy? What about my epistemological concerns? Or at least a good summary of the various approaches to evil in the world? Why is NT Wright in this film? There wasn't enough of NT Wright!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what kind of letter did Lee Strobel get back after he sent his manuscript off to Mr. Templeton? You never mentioned his reply? Was it unprintable?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There's Bonus Materials? Why am i scared....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;(After looking on back, Rick Warren's involved! I should've known...)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Well at least i didn't spend money on this dvd, rented it from the library.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-7631263580135826532?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/7631263580135826532/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=7631263580135826532&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/7631263580135826532'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/7631263580135826532'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/case-for-faith.html' title='The Case for Faith...'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-6730725544961216930</id><published>2009-01-12T15:09:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-01-12T15:57:35.219-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='unemployment'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='worrying'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='rants'/><title type='text'>Unemployment Blues</title><content type='html'>Ahh nothing like the unemployment line to make you feel like a loser...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This has been one of the most frustrating seasons of the fogster's life! I have sent out more resumes and sent out more inquiries and have been rejected so many times... egads it wears out ones self worth!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Its hard to take take seriously the passages about not worrying and God will provide, when you dont know how you're going to pay rent next month. Or eat for that matter...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ok, back to top ramen and sending out more resumes...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The fogster is tired... and needed to rant...&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-6730725544961216930?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/6730725544961216930/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=6730725544961216930&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/6730725544961216930'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/6730725544961216930'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/unemployment-blues.html' title='Unemployment Blues'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-5770635604674689934</id><published>2009-01-09T19:46:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2009-01-09T20:58:24.806-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='New York Times'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Burris'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Stanley Fish'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='clergy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Blagojovich'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='catholicism'/><title type='text'>Augustine and Politics!</title><content type='html'>After having spent way too much time in seminary, anytime i see an early church father mentioned in a non-christian publication, it catches my attention. After all why else would someone quote Origen or in this case Augustine?! Of course given the american educational system, its amazing that any classical western  philosophers or philosophers form anywhere int he world enter into the public debate. So when i came upon &lt;a href="http://fish.blogs.nytimes.com/2009/01/08/roland-burris-and-st-augustine/"&gt;this essay by Stanley Fish&lt;/a&gt; i was amazed and then i sat down to digest...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Like many americans, i have been passively observing the soap opera that is Gov. Rod Blagojevich and his open senate seat. On the one hand, the governor with his wanna be "Donald Trump hair do" is quite amusing to watch. He's kind of the Al Davis of the political world. In complete and total denial and yet has way to much time and money to do anything constructive with it.  His pick of Burris...genius. Talk about throwing a monkey wrench into the works and really pissing a bunch of people off.  PBS news has been very entertaining of late!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Now here i have a confession to make, i don't remember anything of Augustine's theology. I vaguely remember studying the Donatist controversy. I know i read this stuff, wrote papers on it, but yup, dont remember it. Some of the problem is that i'm more interested in the historical stuff, not the actual details of the theology. Luckily Stanley Fish gives a nice refresher in his essay! Well that and i have books and google! (here's a nice &lt;a href="http://ancienthistory.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?zi=1/XJ/Ya&amp;amp;sdn=ancienthistory&amp;amp;zu=http%3A%2F%2Fccat.sas.upenn.edu%2Fjod%2Ftwayne%2Faug1.html"&gt;review of Augustines life and times&lt;/a&gt;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Upon my brief review of the controversy, it got me thinking about leadership in the church. (oh no!) It seems that recently, those of us in the non-liturgical, low church traditions with American culture have moved towards picking leaders based upon their personality, theology and also character(i hope!). Now this isn't necessarily a bad thing, after all Paul must've been a pretty dynamic guy. And what church wouldn't want that for their leadership?! But, if that person fails us, then we tend to not only dismiss the person, but the whole institution. The underlying conceit is that if the institution can't choose the best person, then the institution is flawed.  This means that we take a position contrary to Augustine. We basically dont respect the position, whether it be priest or pastor, as being a representatative of the church, who's head is Jesus Christ.  We want our church leadership to be full of saints, not humans trying their best to serve and represent God on this frail planet.  The pressure to be a saint is burning out our clergy...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The recent trend of denominations to send their leaders to psychological testing and reviews isn't necessarily a bad thing. But what if God is calling someone into a position of leadership who may have some psychological issues, like addiction, or a mental illness.  Another troubling thought comes to mind, "Should we pick leaders who are a good match for the church?" Or "Should we pick leaders who would be good for the church?" and "How do we know who God has determined to be the leader of the church?"&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So maybe we should look into new models of leadership? Or maybe revisit the old models and adapt them to our 21st century context. In looking at different churches, i've noticed that in low churches there is a tendency towards personality cults. While high churches can sometimes place people into churches where they are a poor fit. The question is how do we find the balance? Hmm something new to ponder in the coming year...&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-5770635604674689934?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/5770635604674689934/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=5770635604674689934&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/5770635604674689934'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/5770635604674689934'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/augustine-and-politics.html' title='Augustine and Politics!'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-3607963888007613644</id><published>2009-01-07T00:18:00.001-08:00</published><updated>2009-01-07T00:30:13.462-08:00</updated><title type='text'>White people just dont get it...</title><content type='html'>The other day, the fogster was hanging out with a good friend of non-white extraction and difficult/underprivileged background. This friend had been through alot and had made alot of progress, but like those of us who struggles, has their moments... when the following conversational exchange occurred.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Why do white people always play down your pain?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Whaddya mean? (i asked)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I had two conversations when i was down, and frustrated about my life...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Go on (i prodded, interested) My friend laid it out like this:&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Convo 1 with white friend&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;non-white friend: i've had to work harder than everyone else to get where i'm at, and sometimes i just get frustrated&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;white friend: surely you haven't had to work harder than everyone else...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;non-white friend: oh come on you know what i mean, oh forget about, you  just dont get it&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;white friend: you know maybe if you could learn to talk about things differently, that'd help...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;non-white friend: nevermind, hows your food?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Convo 2  non-white friend a w/ non-white friend b&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;non-white frienda: i've had to work harder than everyone else to get where i'm at, and sometimes i just get frustrated&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;non-white friend b: i know what your talking about, and i bet your tired right now...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;non-white friend a: yeah im tired, sometimes i just wanna quit...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;non-white friend b:  but look at where the Lord has brought you, its a miracle that you're here...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Then my friend asked me: Why do white people do shit like that? The fogster could only answer: I dunno, i'm not white either...&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-3607963888007613644?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/3607963888007613644/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=3607963888007613644&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/3607963888007613644'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/3607963888007613644'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2009/01/white-people-just-dont-get-it.html' title='White people just dont get it...'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-8055201007905559156</id><published>2008-12-30T17:30:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-30T18:59:58.900-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Revelation'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Auld Lang Syne'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='New Years'/><title type='text'>Should Auld Acquaintances Be Forgot...</title><content type='html'>I decided to look up the verses of Auld Lang Syne and found its &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Auld_Lang_Syne"&gt;wikipedia entry&lt;/a&gt; to be quite helpful and it made me all reflective and sniffly and well, it wasnt pretty.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As i look back on this year and all the goods and bads done by/to me. I have realized that sometimes i'm the auld acquaintance that needed to be forgot and sometimes i have auld acquaintances that i need to forget. Either way both are painful.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But without pain, there is no growth, and sometimes there is no healing.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was reading through Job and then switched to selected parts in Revelation. And i realized that there are some parts of the Bible that aren't meant to be read in winter...cuz they depress me.  Well except for Revelation 21. The whole new earth, new life stuff....yeah i like that!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Getting back to pain...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Job was rewarded for his faithfulness, but he had to suffer. But some people suffer and aren't rewarded until they get to sit at the feet of Jesus.  And some friendships are broken and never healed.  There is all sorts of talk about being reconciled to one another, but if that's not possible, when do we pick up the pieces and move on? Especially when some people use silence as a form of punishment?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Ack, New Years always gets me moody and thoughtful. So anyways, this year sucked, lets hope the next year is better!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-8055201007905559156?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/8055201007905559156/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=8055201007905559156&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/8055201007905559156'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/8055201007905559156'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2008/12/should-auld-acquaintances-be-forgot.html' title='Should Auld Acquaintances Be Forgot...'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-8562007656478661943</id><published>2008-12-22T17:34:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-22T18:22:23.500-08:00</updated><title type='text'>Here's to new life and new beginnings!</title><content type='html'>This past Sunday i taught 2nd and 3rd graders the Christmas story. Using Luke 2:1-20, I tried to get them to see how difficult life was. I tried to show them how far Mary and Joseph had to travel to get to Bethlehem, I tried to get them to see how hard it would've been for pregnant Mary to travel. But with the lure of a Veggie Tales video and coloring books, i lost the battle, and as one kid pointed out "we're not parents!".&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And yet....&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Afterwards, some kids shared with me their own anxieties about the times. Some have lost allowances. Some have noticed fewer presents. Some have heard their parents fight for the first time.  I realized i'd missed my opportunity to make the Christmas story relevant to the kids. While they dont have to make long physical journeys they are making difficult emotional journeys this year. Some of my kids will have to grow up quickly, some have lost their comforts and privileges, and some will be happy with whatever gifts they get under the tree.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And so as we prepare to celebrate the coming of Jesus and the end of Advent. I hope that you have found comfort and friendship during your journeys especially on the difficult paths that some of you have traveled this year.I pray that you will be able to close some difficult chapters and find strength, energy and communities to help you with the new paths that await you in the coming year.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Merry Christmas and Happy New Year&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-8562007656478661943?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/8562007656478661943/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=8562007656478661943&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/8562007656478661943'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/8562007656478661943'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2008/12/heres-to-new-life-and-new-beginnings.html' title='Here&apos;s to new life and new beginnings!'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-9088960403032476920</id><published>2008-12-11T20:51:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-12-11T21:56:42.389-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bethlehem'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='obama'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='nativity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jesus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='advent'/><title type='text'>Its always darkest before...</title><content type='html'>In reading through all the newspapers online today i found myself increasingly depressed. With obvious corruption and depression and bailouts... oh my!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And here in the middle of advent, when i'm forced to reflect on the Christmas story, i have found it to be more relevant than ever before. The Jews were living in tough times. They had been through several revolts. The Romans had invaded, desecrated the temple. Now they had a corrupt and possibly insane ruler over them. A ruler who was not chosen by the Jews, but by the Romans. So on a warm spring night, Joseph loaded up his very pregnant fiancee, onto a donkey and headed to Bethlehem. ( I always found it interesting that the literal translation of Bethlehem is house of bread, but i digress...) Worse, the child wasn't even his. Joseph was facing not only a disruption in his life, but a major life change.  Yet still he honored his obligations and headed back to the city of his birth to take part in the census.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many of us are facing a similar circumstances. Its hard to find hope in the night and in winter its dark around 5pm! Today's reading for my advent devotional is &lt;span style="text-decoration: underline;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=Isaiah+11:1-5;&amp;amp;version=49;"&gt;Isaiah 11:1-5&lt;/a&gt; An apt reading for these difficult times.  There is a part of me that wonders if what we're experiencing is the hangover after a long time of partying without restrictions.  Like the ancient Jews who read this passage, we are looking for a "shoot will spring from the stem of Jesse" who will&lt;br /&gt;" ...  will not judge by what His eyes see,&lt;br /&gt;Nor make a decision by what His ears hear;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;span id="en-NASB-17889" class="sup"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;But with righteousness He will judge the poor,&lt;br /&gt;And decide with fairness for the afflicted of the earth;&lt;br /&gt;And He will strike the earth with the rod of His mouth,&lt;br /&gt;And with the breath of His lips He will slay the wicked."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;For some that shoot is named "Barack". For those who dare call themselves Christians, we believe the shoot was named Jesus. (Christ is a title, not a name)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So where am i going with this... Well i do have hope that the new administration can change things around. But I also know that Barack is human and suffers from all too human limitations. He's just a hell of a lot smarter than me! But I also can settle into my long held belief and hope that God will interact with current events and show us not only the error of our ways,  but his love and joy in his creation and moves us all safely into the house of bread.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In the meantime, i'll continue to pray for the idiots that got us here and hopefully the idiots who'll get us out!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-9088960403032476920?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/9088960403032476920/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=9088960403032476920&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/9088960403032476920'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/9088960403032476920'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2008/12/its-always-darkest-before.html' title='Its always darkest before...'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-6689219421343766467</id><published>2008-11-27T23:23:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-11-27T23:56:38.310-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='praise'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='terrorism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='paul'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='india'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='act'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sing'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='hope'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='prison'/><title type='text'>Thanks in the darkness....</title><content type='html'>As someone whose wandered through the bible a few times, mainly to write exegetical papers and impress professors. I originally wanted to do a post about praising in prison, connect the dots to the horrible situation in India, quote a few scriptures and leave you, the reader, encouraged.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Alas, that blog has been written to death, by many much more eloquent writers than I.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Instead i found myself meditating on my journey, through this life and my faith and realized that when times are dark, I'm not Paul, singing in the darkness with chains around my limbs. Nope i'm more like the desperate woman that's seeking Jesus to be healed of her bleeding. I then realized that as americans we are terrible at grieving. We eschew public displays of grief, we want people to get over it. We dont give them time to heal. This is reflected in the way we treat the Passion narratives. We get to Gethsemane and we skip over Jesus' crying, sweating blood in agony, praying with intensity and being frustrated with his disciples. We gloss over all that until he says "not my will, but thine" or head over to John, where there is no Gethsemane.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Americans are "Hope" addicts. We want the sweet, the reassurance that all will be alright, if we just keep living.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;A cranky, but wise, old man told me he believed that hope was a substitute for action. As long as we have hope we dont have to do anything. When i read the prison epistles with this bit of wisdom in mind, i realized that Paul and his companions didn't have hope. They fully expected to die. But instead of sitting there, &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;hoping &lt;/span&gt;for a change in their circumstances, they sang, they praised, they prayed, they wrote letters home. They acted.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So in these dark times, lets take action by first giving thanks for what the Lord has done, what the Lord will do and what the Lord calls us to do. Then lets get on with the business of doing it, even if the only thing we can do, is give thanks, pray, praise and sing in our prisons.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-6689219421343766467?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/6689219421343766467/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=6689219421343766467&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/6689219421343766467'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/6689219421343766467'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2008/11/thanks-in-darkness.html' title='Thanks in the darkness....'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-5921375451558014211</id><published>2008-11-18T19:07:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-11-18T19:49:00.651-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='church'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='pastor'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ecclesiology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Jesus'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ragamuffin'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='christian'/><title type='text'>C hurch is for the pretty popular people</title><content type='html'>Lately i've been feeling kinda like the odd man out at church. I've bounced around a few churches in a few countries and have seen very few misfits sitting in the pews. When i hop on "evangelical" websites i see beautiful middle class white people. I am none of those adjectives.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I recently started reading a few other blogs and found out that i'm not the only one who's not fitting in! ( you can read the postings here: http://nakedpastor.com/archives/2420 and here: http://chickchaotic.wordpress.com/2008/11/17/futility-and-fugacity-or-future-hope/#more-218) I spent my younger years trying to fit into the box that i thought i should fit in. With age i gave up that futile struggle.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In looking around i noticed that pastors tend to be popular people.  They tend to be the locus that the church is wrapped around. While we would like to believe that we picked our pastors based upon their sound doctrine and theology, the reality is that the deciding factors is their likability and public speaking abilities.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So where does this leave the outsiders. The people who arent "pretty". The people who ask hard questions and leave them unanswered. Who dont wear the right clothes or makeup. The people who have addictions/struggles/lost the battle for purity. Where do they go?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Should we attempt to make those people whole and pretty?Or should we love them as they are and move them towards healing and peace? Who should we be choosing to lead us? Or should we be choosing who to lead?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And sometimes, in the middle of the night, i think that we've got it all wrong. That Jesus never intended for the church to be a building that is lead by someone who has the title "pastor"who conceives and implements programs.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That, thought, more than anything else keeps me awake at night...&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-5921375451558014211?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/5921375451558014211/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=5921375451558014211&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/5921375451558014211'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/5921375451558014211'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2008/11/c-hurch-is-for-pretty-popular-people.html' title='C hurch is for the pretty popular people'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-3069712790205110766</id><published>2008-11-14T22:34:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-11-14T22:47:33.460-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='prayer'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='westmont college'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='firefighters'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='tea fire'/><title type='text'>A prayer...</title><content type='html'>In light of the recent fires in Santa Barbara and the loss experienced by Westmont College, its faculty and students. The Fogster would like to encourage everyone to take a moment and pray for the victims and for the firefighters...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Amen&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-3069712790205110766?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/3069712790205110766/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=3069712790205110766&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/3069712790205110766'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/3069712790205110766'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2008/11/prayer.html' title='A prayer...'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-5590599670012793049</id><published>2008-11-12T20:28:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-11-12T22:17:01.718-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='prophecy'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='preachers'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='korean christianity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='dispensationlism'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='apocolyptic writings'/><title type='text'>On Prophets...</title><content type='html'>So a couple of months ago a "prophet" visited the church. This caused quite a stir. Before i get too far let me confess, that i am a "prophet agnostic". Im not quite sure that i believe in the people who call themselves prophets. But given that this was a church event, i dragged myself away from my computer and books and headed to church.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When i walked in i could definitely sense an energy in the room.  It seemed that people were expecting something to happen. I came a bit late and arrived after the 'prophet' had already started speaking. It was something rambling about prophecy and speaking for God. Obviously not memorable, cuz i dont remember what he said. I do remember that he was funny and relaxed. Afterwards he offered to pray for people and had us line up as the Holy Spirit called us to receive our blessings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;This is where my skepticism comes in... I did line up but as i was walking in the long line i noticed a theme in his 'prophecies'.  Many centered around concerns of career, home and money. In front of me i noticed two korean women, who kind of reminded me of groupies. They were definitely from a charismatic background and frankly they weirded me out. When i got to the front i noticed his manipulation of my body. He did talk about some things that i could interpret as having to do with my life and circumstances. But then my skepticism got the better of me.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Of course it doesn't help that i have korean friends and love to MST3K televangelists...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So i called a korean buddy up about his thoughts on prophets and prophecy. In korean christian culture there's a history of going to prophets, some think it may be a link with korean culture animist roots. (another blog post?) Its always nice to discuss things with a fellow cynic. One thing i pointed out is that he kinda reminded me of psychics and mentalists. Both of these groups are masters of what's called&lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cold_reading"&gt; "cold reading"&lt;/a&gt; . I can do this to a degree myself. Anyways so i asked my buddy, what he thought about this prophet and prophecy in general. His answer confirmed my instincts. Be blessed but take it with a grain of salt.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When i was in seminary i remember studying the apocalyptic writings and prophecy. I remember coming to the conclusion that prophecy was not to predict the future or even JC's return, but was instead meant to either correct the church, send it in a new direction, or build the church up. I dont see how wandering prophets do either. Especially ones with vague prophecies on their websites about the downfall of the west. (This is one of the reasons i reject the doctrine of dispensationalism.) Further adding to my skepticism is that they seem to be able to control the Holy Spirit at will. My understanding of scripture is that the Holy Spirit is at the control of God, not man. (if was more caffeinated, i'd post the scriptures to support this contention)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So i guess the question is, "Are these wandering prophets real or just skilled manipulators?" The short answer is "I dont know".  But if one these guys blows through town, sure go up for the blessing, but keep your money in your pocket.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-5590599670012793049?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/5590599670012793049/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=5590599670012793049&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/5590599670012793049'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/5590599670012793049'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2008/11/on-prophets.html' title='On Prophets...'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-8176564780880113417</id><published>2008-11-08T17:34:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-11-08T17:44:10.083-08:00</updated><title type='text'>President Elect Obama</title><content type='html'>I voted and by the end of the night another dream was realized and another barrier shattered and i find that in many ways i have nothing to contribute to the dialogue.  What more is there to say? All the op-ed pieces and bloggers have beat me to it.  All that's left to do at this point in time is to pray. Pray for healing. Pray for wisdom. Pray for direction. Pray that hope and excitement will continue.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So let us take a moment and pray, for the new president and hopefully a new era in our country.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;FB&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-8176564780880113417?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/8176564780880113417/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=8176564780880113417&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/8176564780880113417'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/8176564780880113417'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2008/11/president-elect-obama.html' title='President Elect Obama'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-925015914366873663</id><published>2008-11-04T00:30:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2008-11-04T01:29:08.338-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ambivalent majority'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='independent'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='republican'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='democrat'/><title type='text'>Voting/prayer/christians...eh...</title><content type='html'>Today as i watched TV i felt like i was being manipulated. In addition my friends from various viewpoints/convictions/unfounded opinions keep sending me forwards/propaganda.  As a person/leader of the christian faith, i am tired of trying to be careful about what i say to people. In the end i just feel plain manipulated.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I realized that there are very few people in my circle of friends to whom i can really talk to about how im thinking of of voting. In most all of those cases, im preaching to the choir.  We're all writing in Mickey Mouse and refuse to disclose how we truly feel about Prop 8 for fear of being tarred and feathered by our peers on both sides.  In addition some of my friends are convinced that the only true christians are republicans. Im a registered independent and moderate. (maybe im not praying hard enough)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'll be honest. I blame James Dobson and the Moral Majority. If you go onto their website they have handy voter guides. So the faithful can just check their brains at the poll booth. They dont have to be bothered to read the legislation/candidates positions/think about what scripture truly says. Oh no James and his cronies have done all the thinking for you! Just follow their party line and their interpretation/manipulation of scriptures and you can be rest assured of being a good christian. (when did Christians become lemmings who follow a leader just because they have money and a huge following? Saddleback/Crystal Cathedral/Willow Creek anyone?)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Honestly, i dont care who/what you vote for. I just dont like having my faith questioned over my voting choices. No one has the corner how Christians should vote. In many ways those decisions are between you and God.  If you are going to vote, be honest with yourself about why you are making those choices. Dont do it because its the right/christian viewpoint. Do it because you have used the brain that God gave you. You read your ballot and did some research. Actually read the other viewpoints, not just the ones that affirm your own position/opinions/leanings.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally don't send/repeat/drone back propaganda. I've spent some time in a communist country. I can sniff out propaganda with a 10ft pole. For the most part i ignore/delete/patiently checkout while i appear to be listening. If you want to discuss/engage me with an issue. Lets do it civilly and in a spirit of exploration. The point not being to evangelize me/you to agree that im/you're right. But to explore the candidate/proposition and examine the consequences/fall out/benefits. Lets actually open our bibles and read not just the proof-texts that Dobson and his bunch trots out, but the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;whole &lt;/span&gt;passage. (imagine actually reading scripture, on our own, in whole chapters!!!)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Time and time again i have found that what appeared to be cut and dried and the "christian" way to be just sheer emotional manipulation, especially by the republican/democratic parties. So when you do your research please take the time to find legitimate/independent sources.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"But i'm too busy!" you say. But its being too busy to care that has gotten us into this quagmire in the first place. Isn't it worth it to take the time to think/protect our right to participate in our government? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally church is supposed to be a place of sanctuary. Jesus didn't only heal jews, but also gentiles. Need i remind you that he ate with prostitutes, hung out with tax collectors and his best friends were fishermen! So pastors, please respect this sanctity and the intelligence of your parishioners and leave the politics at the door.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt; Which brings me to my biggest gripe about the Moral Majority and Dobson and others of that ilk. Our churches are in trouble. Christians get divorced at the same rate as the general public. Many in the pews are wounded/abused/scared/in pain. Many of our next generation are leaving their communities of faith. Instead of poring time and money into voter guides, maybe we should instead be focusing on healing/building/restoring our faith communities? Once those are healthy, i have a feeling that churches will truly be "cities on a hill" and hopefully voting guides will be unnecessary/irrelevant.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;We've already lost the culture war and if we keep trying to fight this war, we risk losing the faithful.  Lets instead show the culture/political establishment the transforming/healing power of Jesus, not the political might of people who use the label Christian.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-925015914366873663?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/925015914366873663/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=925015914366873663&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/925015914366873663'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/925015914366873663'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2008/11/votingprayerchristianseh.html' title='Voting/prayer/christians...eh...'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-4607514344483167795</id><published>2008-10-28T18:37:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-10-28T19:00:04.553-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='bias'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='football'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='republican'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='democrat'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='christianity'/><title type='text'>A Gut Check...</title><content type='html'>As we draw nearer to the election day i feel more and more like i'm watching a football game. People are democrats or republicans more out of loyalty or because they were raised that way, or because one team is winning. Very rarely do i read in the &lt;span style="font-style: italic;"&gt;popular&lt;/span&gt; media a well thought out explanation of the differences/advantages/disadvantages of being a republican/democrat.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I see all sorts of commentary on Palin's sexiness and outfits and much made of Barak's Muslim heritage but no real commentary on why these things matter. I also haven't seen an unbiased account on the political history of America and just what was going on during the boom years. I've seen alot of facts spun to prove a point, or to sway a vote, but nothing to show the possible consequences of a policy or a historical view on the fall out from similar measures.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;And then today i &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2008/10/28/opinion/28brooks.html?_r=1&amp;amp;em&amp;amp;oref=slogin"&gt;read a commentary in the NYTimes&lt;/a&gt; that cited a behavior scientist that made this statement "...but he does touch on many of the perceptual biases that distort our thinking: our tendency to see data that confirm our prejudices more vividly than data that contradict them; our tendency to overvalue recent events when anticipating future possibilities; our tendency to spin concurring facts into a single causal narrative; our tendency to applaud our own supposed skill in circumstances when we’ve actually benefited from dumb luck."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Granted this piece was on how we as human precipitated the financial crisis through our belief in deregulation. But i think it could easily be applied to politics. We tend to watch/get our news/hang out with people who support our biases. Very rarely do we deeply engage with the people across the aisle much less be honest with ourselves about our prejudices and where they were formed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So why do you vote a particular way? Let's move beyond the "bible sez" cuz we all know the devil can quote scripture too. Besides I've read biblical arguments on both sides. And historically democrats were christians. Most of the southern democrats switched to the republican party over race. The evangelicals over the issue of abortion. Should we as christians be one issue voters?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I guess what i'm looking for is an engagement/discussion of, "is it your class/race/personal history that has led you to vote one way or another?" Because it is through those things that the lens through which we engage scripture/God/one another is formed.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thoughts?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-4607514344483167795?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/4607514344483167795/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=4607514344483167795&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/4607514344483167795'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/4607514344483167795'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/gut-check.html' title='A Gut Check...'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-5546367198908338319</id><published>2008-10-17T14:17:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-10-17T15:22:12.571-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='obama'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='joe the plumber'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='theology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='social gospel'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='ananias'/><title type='text'>Joe the Plumber and Spreading the Wealth...</title><content type='html'>&lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;Let me open with a verse from Acts 2:42-47&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;They devoted themselves to the apostles' teaching and to the fellowship, to the breaking of bread and to prayer. Everyone was filled with awe, and many wonders and miraculous signs were done by the apostles. &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;All the believers were together and had everything in common. Selling their possessions and goods, they gave to anyone as he had need.&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; Every day they continued to meet together in the temple courts. &lt;span style="font-weight:bold;"&gt;They broke bread in their homes and ate together with glad and sincere hearts,praising God and enjoying the favor of all the people.&lt;span style="font-style:italic;"&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; And the Lord added to their number daily those who were being saved.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I confess i didn't watch the debate, but instead i watched the follow up news coverage and found myself intrigued by Joe the Plumber. I found some interesting news stories on the guy and watched a clip of the exchange between him and Barak.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I'm not going to argue about who's system is good or taxes being raised. That's a dead horse in my opinion cuz both sides think they're right and can predict the future. Instead im interested in the christian/biblical response to the notion of spreading the wealth around. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lately i've discovered i can read &lt;a href="http://books.google.com/books?as_auth=Walter+Rauschenbusch&amp;source=an&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_group&amp;resnum=4&amp;ct=title&amp;cad=author-navigational"&gt;boring books online&lt;/a&gt; and have decided to delve back into re-reading the works of &lt;a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Walter_Rauschenbusch"&gt;Walter Rauschenbusch&lt;/a&gt;. For those of you who dont know, he is the father of the Social Gospel movement and greatly influenced MLK and a few others. Very important theologian of whom you've probably never heard of. But in his book "&lt;a href="http://books.google.com/books?id=I9BwwiVlVncC&amp;dq=Walter+Rauschenbusch&amp;pg=PP1&amp;ots=n5Qkg6TZri&amp;source=an&amp;sig=_p0bDEJtFxiuZVCuWpSo_h1_45o&amp;hl=en&amp;sa=X&amp;oi=book_result&amp;resnum=4&amp;ct=result#PPA238,M2"&gt;Christianizing the Social Order&lt;/a&gt;" he points out that capitalism is neither good or bad/moral or immoral. Instead its the values that we are taught by the church and school that form the morals that are applied to our business and economic systems. There is a tug of war between the two and they are constantly influencing one another. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Back to Joe, who may not be a plumber... One thing Barak said is that he thinks we should "spread the wealth around" Which brings me to the verse above. Several times in the New Testament we are told that the people in the early church lived in sharing communities. In fact two people were killed for lying and not sharing all the had with the community. (bonus points for verse and names of those people!) The "plumber" replied that being taxed at a higher percentage for making more would be a disincentive for him to pursue wealth. Which of course the republicans jumped on and used ad nauseum in their campaign ad and apparently in the debate. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;However in re-reading Rauschenbusch and going through Acts again. I found myself asking some hard questions about Christians, wealth and politics. Questions such as; Should Christians be affiliated with a particular party? (little known/forgotten fact was that in the early 20th century the majority of Christians were democrats, it wasn't until the fall out from the modernist/fundamentalist controversies and the manipulation of the abortion issue that Christians moved to the Republican party). Should Christians be pursuing wealth? If we are people of the book, how come many churches don't encourage/practice the kind of sharing we see in the New Testament? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If anything this election is a call for us to re-examine christian community and our interaction with our political/economic system. Im not arguing for moving socialist, tho i do have moments.(especially considering the blatant corruption in the markets and medical insurance systems...) As a friend pointed out, in the early church that kind of sharing was voluntary. But it does set an example for what should be happening in our churches. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Thoughts?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-5546367198908338319?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/5546367198908338319/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=5546367198908338319&amp;isPopup=true' title='3 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/5546367198908338319'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/5546367198908338319'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/joe-plumber-and-spreading-wealth.html' title='Joe the Plumber and Spreading the Wealth...'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>3</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-2483876139082052032</id><published>2008-10-14T19:06:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-10-14T19:33:36.365-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Billy Graham'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='20th century'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='evangelist'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='christianity'/><title type='text'>Where have all the Billy Grahams gone?</title><content type='html'>I was reading a news story about &lt;a href="http://blog.beliefnet.com/news/2008/10/billy-graham-returns-home-afte.php"&gt;Billy Graham's recent accident&lt;/a&gt; and i came upon the realization this election year that there are no strident/representative/very public christian/evangelical voices out there. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems that the 20th century was dominated by Mr. Graham and his evangelistic outreaches. Big events where he traversed the world sharing Jesus. But since he's entered his dotage, no one has stepped up to fill the gap. Sure we got our Rick Warrens and Bill Hybels, but they are pastors with laaaarge congregations, not evangelists in the traditional 20th century sense.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Perhaps there's a historian out there with more to add to this observation. At first glance (cuz that's all i have time for right now) it seems to me that this is reflective of a larger shift in the culture. Perhaps, this is reflective of the slow food/locally grown movement and the shift from suburban to urban centers. Perhaps...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Or because i've been buried in books so long i've somehow missed the next big evangelist preacher person... &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It does make me wonder who the next "pastor to the president" will be!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-2483876139082052032?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/2483876139082052032/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=2483876139082052032&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/2483876139082052032'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/2483876139082052032'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/where-have-all-billy-grahams-gone.html' title='Where have all the Billy Grahams gone?'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-7714839092610367133</id><published>2008-10-09T21:08:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-10-09T23:17:12.200-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='modernity'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='culture'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='technology'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Evangelicals'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='os guinness'/><title type='text'>Os Guinness is my new hero of the evangelical world!</title><content type='html'>Apologies for the delay in posting, its been crazy around here!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Moving on!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I was privileged this week to attend a talk given to pastor by Os Guinness. For those of you who may be scratching your heads, he's one of the writers of the Evangelical Manifesto you can read &lt;a href="http://www.anevangelicalmanifesto.com/"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;. What i found most interesting about his talk is that it helped me crystallize alot of what i'd been observing and reflecting about american culture and the church within it. Its always nice to get your observations affirmed by a reputable scholar! I wish i'd been able to take notes! (doh!)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But some points i remember him making are: &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;That we need to thoughtfully engage the culture. This means looking at the history of the current popular ideas, e.g knowing their autobiography. Then we need to assess their impact on the street level. In order for us to do that we need to have a good sense of our own christian history! (One thing that i have become more and more convinced is the need for churches to teach more than "just the bible". People need to know their history, we need to know the names and deeds of the saints who went before us!!!)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He pointed out that in the 20th century faith went from being solely private to ultra-political. Both of these movements had disastrous results for Christianity in America. One of these results is that america has been led further down the path to secularization making it harder for people of faith to have a voice in the public sphere. He suggested that we make sure to speak into the culture but let them make their choices and yet continue to be a witness to the love of Christ and the Gospel.(a fine balancing act!) I liked his point that we are told to "love our enemies" and most Christians who are members of the "moral majority" and such other groups have demonized their enemies. Where's the Gospel in that?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He also talked about technology and its impact on culture. No one really philosophized on time and shaped how we thought about it. Instead its the invention of the watch and its ever-present ticking that shapes how we think about time. Think about the impact of cell-phones and the internet on the culture and the church?!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;He also cautioned against innovation for innovations sake. In America we are blitzed by advertising/consumerism. They are always telling us to seek what's new and different. But what's new and different isn't always what's good and healthy. I'll have to come back to this later and do a whole blog post on it, when i've sorted out just how i feel about this. (Esp since i'm a bit of a gadget freak!)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally he pointed out that it's actually good to be a little "behind the times". Because we can see the result/errors/consequences of the philosophical/technological trends and innovations. Europe was heading in a secular direction much longer than the States and yet we have failed as a church to learn from Europe's example. He pointed out that churches in developing countries are failing to learn from our example and shared several illustrative stories.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Speaking of churches in the developing world. As has been noted the shift of power has moved south. Along with this shift has been the emergence of different modernities. What this means is that there is an American/Chinese/French way of looking/thinking/doing. So there is no sense of the need for integration. Instead there is fragmentation. He then asked about how the church and Christians are speaking/demonstrating/interacting with this. There was much  more to this point, but i cant remember all the points, but i have a feeling this is something i'll circle back to! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So there's the highlights from the talk. Hopefully i'll be able to get a recording and then i can do a much better interaction with the material. But for now i'm still chewing on the bits of the talk i remember! Perhaps i should finally break down and buy one of his books....?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-7714839092610367133?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/7714839092610367133/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=7714839092610367133&amp;isPopup=true' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/7714839092610367133'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/7714839092610367133'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/os-guinness-is-my-new-hero-of.html' title='Os Guinness is my new hero of the evangelical world!'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-6357201457748132744</id><published>2008-10-02T17:50:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-10-02T18:38:29.089-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religulous'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='religion'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='christian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='agnostic'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='atheist'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='faith'/><title type='text'>Religulous?</title><content type='html'>In reading the NY Times as i am prone to do on a daily basis i ran into a &lt;a href="http://movies.nytimes.com/2008/10/01/movies/01reli.html"&gt;review of Bill Maher's movie Religulous&lt;/a&gt;. This caught my eye because i have a good agnostic jewish friend with heavy leanings towards atheism. We are planning to watch this movie together. This could be interesting.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a person of faith i sometimes, ok, often, find movies like this annoying.They all tend to focus exclusively on Christianity. Mainly in part because they don't have to worry about Christians issuing fatwas (instead we write angry diatribes and boycott the merchandise). I have yet to see a movie like this on Buddhism/Islam/Hinduism/Confucianism, e.g. non-western religious traditions. They also tend to be made/written by smart, angry, disenfranchised middle class white men with a narcissistic streak. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The arguments also tend to be more about shock value rather than deep engagement with the opposite side. "Lets ridicule people of faith and their scriptures, rather then engage them and see what they think about those funny/weird/possibly wrong areas in their scriptures of faith." They also say that those scriptures are outdated. I think this is a cheap shot, esp since as humans we all share in the birthing/eating/breathing/relating/sexuality/dying process. These experiences cut across all human boundaries. Scriptures of all kinds are still read today because it speaks to those common experiences. In a way its nice to know that existential angst existed waaaay back in the day. (see Ecclesiastes and Job)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Finally they are quick to point out the turmoil in the middle east, the crusades and Sarah Palin as proof that religion causes more harm than good. They dont bring up the wee fact millions of people were killed by atheistic regimes(Lenin/Mao/Pol Pot to name a few...). In fact some of the biggest human rights violators are atheistic dictators! (Kim Jong-il anyone? anyone?)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;These people ignore that Mahatma Gandhi/Mother Teresa/Martin Luther Kind Jr/Dalai Lama/ to name a few... were all not only people of faith, but leaders in their faith communities. If there is one good thing that can be said about faith is that it forces one out of selfish naval gazing makes one admit the value and worth of those around them, human or not...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So yes I'll go watch the movie. It'll probably engender fierce heated discussion that will get me riled. But unlike my atheistic counterparts, at least i'm willing to take their questions seriously and not ridicule them for their lack of belief in something outside of themselves, be that God/nature/nirvana/Jesus/wood sprites/etc...&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-6357201457748132744?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/6357201457748132744/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=6357201457748132744&amp;isPopup=true' title='4 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/6357201457748132744'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/6357201457748132744'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2008/10/religulous.html' title='Religulous?'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>4</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-3737645838979957716</id><published>2008-09-30T20:06:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-09-30T20:31:53.170-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Evangelicals'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='christian'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Marriage amendment'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Prop 8'/><title type='text'>Marriage, Christian engagement and the public sphere...</title><content type='html'>Its that time again, the leaves are turning, the weather is cooling and your obligation is just around the corner. Yup your civic obligation to vote is only a few short weeks away!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As a citizen of the foggy part of CA I'm being bombarded with ads for and against Proposition 8, the Gay Marriage Ban. As an avowed thoughtful evangelical who's spent some time in the academic faith experience, i am getting grilled by my friends on this one. I find myself at a loss for how to respond. It should be easy, yeah or nay! Right? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yet one look at the &lt;a href="http://www.google.com/search?q=california+marriage+amendment&amp;ie=utf-8&amp;oe=utf-8&amp;aq=t&amp;rls=org.mozilla:en-US:official&amp;client=firefox-a"&gt;google results&lt;/a&gt; is enough to scare me from even wanting to enter into the discussion! The rhetoric and the heat! *shudder*&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But what also makes this hard for me to talk about is that for its not an issue of saving marriage, but instead an issue of christian dialogue in the public sphere. In France one is married twice, legally and then in the church of their choosing. What makes it dicey is that there is no clear direction in the bible as to what Christians should legislate and why. There are nebulous passages about giving back to Caesar what is his and obeying the laws of the land, but nothing about what laws we should draft and approve.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So I find myself asking,"does this legislation really matter?" Cant marriage be both a legal and a religious ceremony? Should Christians try to legislate out morals on an unbelieving public? I'm not so sure, but I'm willing to at least ponder and engage thoughtfully on this, and when possible engage in thoughtful dialogue, not just game winning.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-3737645838979957716?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/3737645838979957716/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=3737645838979957716&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/3737645838979957716'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/3737645838979957716'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/marriage-christian-engagement-and.html' title='Marriage, Christian engagement and the public sphere...'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-8349938317593493455</id><published>2008-09-29T14:54:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2008-09-29T15:46:58.680-07:00</updated><title type='text'>Pain, Suffering and the CCM...</title><content type='html'>I'm back! I had a rotten year and now trying to get back into a rhythm, but on to this blog topic!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Lately i've been on a 90's emo rock nostalgia trip. Ahhh the agony and the irony of this life! One song that has struck me time and again is &lt;a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfF6hTAvQ_M"&gt;"Its been while"&lt;/a&gt; by Staind. As i was reflecting on this, (yes im that kind of geek) i realized that sometime in the late 90's i stopped listening to Christian music. Yeah i had my DC Talk and Audio Adrenaline CD's, but once they stopped playing, i kinda lost interest in Christian Music, after all one can only take so much of Twila Paris!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Upon further reflection i realized that it has much to do with my own maturing faith. I found myself thinking more and more about the theology that was being espoused in much of the music. In addition there seemed to be some skittishness around pain and suffering. (lets be clear, naval gazing without action is not what i'm espousing!) I find this skittishness to be uniquely American, but not biblical! The bible states that we have &lt;a href="http://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=mark%208:34;&amp;version=31;"&gt;crosses to bear&lt;/a&gt; and following JC is not going to be easy! &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In addition as a GenXer i found myself being more and more turned off by what seemed like poser entrances into the music scene. Christian hard rock bands, trying to be hard in sound but not in lyrics. The pain that drives rock music was not there. In the end i walked away. Or rather i started listening more to worship compilations and ignoring the rest of the christian music business. And yet i still feel a twinge of guilt in my evangelical soul...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I guess what i'm looking for and find in secular music, but not so much in Christian music is an honesty about the struggles. An honesty that some of us are not made to be white, middle class and perfect. I have a buddy who struggles with mental illness and is a christian, but whenever he goes to church or hangs out with his christian friends, he feels totally alienated. Where's the music that speaks into that experience? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Eh... i give up, back to reminiscing about my emo days...&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-8349938317593493455?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/8349938317593493455/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=8349938317593493455&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/8349938317593493455'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/8349938317593493455'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2008/09/pain-suffering-and-ccm.html' title='Pain, Suffering and the CCM...'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-5162816358849382953</id><published>2007-05-09T00:08:00.000-07:00</published><updated>2007-05-09T00:10:09.967-07:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='VA Tech'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Mental Illness'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Cho'/><title type='text'>Faith, madness and community…</title><content type='html'>Why do Koreans not treat their mentally ill until they go stark raving mad! My friend’s frustration was evident. We were sitting in Nak won, competitor of Ho Do Ri in the Ktown 24 hour bulgogi fix and the conversation wound until we finally got to the elephant we were trying hard to understand.  One of my friend’s rounds in her med school journey was in the emergency psych ward. We had many conversations about it, being a Korean speaker she was often called upon to engage with the Korean patients and she found it to be a challenge to her faith. We had much dialogue on why God would create someone with such a disability; we had worked it out some but completely. Her concluding thought on the issue of the Virginia Tech killings was most revealing “This should be a wake up call to the Korean community that we need to seriously deal with mental illness and not just hide it until they end up in the psych ward!”&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;When an event like this happens, it breaks in and shatters our reality. At this point, no one is asking the right questions. One group is asking, “How can we stop this” “Where did we go wrong?” Another group is trying to point fingers and assigning blame. I found myself asking, "Where was his family? Where was his community? Yet, watching the Koreans here and abroad react out of their own cultural contexts has been painful. Issues of identity (just how Korean was he?) and culture get tangled in with the reality of 32 deaths.  The current debate over whether or not NBC should’ve aired Cho’s materials is a distraction from the real issue, our broken healthcare system. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If mental illness is a stigma and a burden for the white middle class mainstream, it’s a nightmare in our immigrant communities.  Many don’t speak English and come from backgrounds where there is very little education or understanding about mental health, much less illness.  In discussing this event my pastor asked me a key question, where’s the church? &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The answer: crippled. Church in America and in many other places has become a place where fitting in is what’s important, not transformation of lives. As long as people play by the rules and say and do the right things, they are Christian enough to fellowship with on Sunday only. The rest of the week we go back to our lives. The people on the fringes, who don’t fit into our boxes get ignored and shoved out, with sometimes-disastrous consequences.  By all accounts this young man, despite being quiet, played by the rules, until his last day, when he broke them. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;If we are followers of Christ why then aren’t we following his examples? We follow a savior who killed pigs to restore a demoniac. A savior, who when presented with a women who had been married several times, simply told her to stop sinning. When presented with another woman who was caught in adultery, he saved her life. Jesus did not sit in his home temple and only heal and teach to his fellow Jews who looked, acted, thought and talked liked him. No, he traveled and met and engaged with people who were very different than him. He healed people regardless of ethnicity or social class.  Jesus met with people on the fringe, people who did not play by the rules, or who were shunned because of the rules. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Which brings me back to the questions raised in my conversation with my friend. It’s not just the Korean community that needs to do some soul searching about how it engages with mental illness. Instead its much bigger, this is a dialogue that needs to be had in the wider Christian community. Mental illness like hate is no respecter of boundaries, whether they be racial, ethnic or class. Isn’t it worth it to kill a few pigs, step on some toes to the save the life of just one person?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-5162816358849382953?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/5162816358849382953/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=5162816358849382953&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/5162816358849382953'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/5162816358849382953'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2007/05/faith-madness-and-community.html' title='Faith, madness and community…'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-6458584767582249356</id><published>2007-01-31T20:47:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-02-08T20:07:36.735-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='culture'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='class'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='race'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='kaleidoscope'/><title type='text'>The Kaleidoscope of Race</title><content type='html'>There was a recent survery that came out that stated that Blacks think race is more of an issue than whites. Unfortunately I lost the link I was going to use. (doh!)But i'm sure one of my more energetic and enterprising readers will locate it for me. ;)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Moving on to the main point.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In many ways our discussion on race is like describing what we see in a kaleidoscope. We're all turing our kaleidoscopes and seeing different patterns, but these patterns are defined by our experiences. The problem with using experience as a baseline is that it's not objective. People are notoriously bad at interpreting what they experience. Do DTR's sound familiar? Haven't you ever had a conflict that started over a misunderstanding? I know i've been in plenty, still getting therapy over a few...shudder.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In terms of race what I think is happening is that white people are looking down through their kaleidoscopes and seeing more colors. Black people and other people of color are looking up through their kaleidoscopes and seeing primarily white. Reality is somewhere in between and varies greatly depending upon what part of the country you're residing in.  One's experience of race in the South is going to be very different than what they may experience in the Bay Area or in New York. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The trick is to understand how and where your experiences fit in the wider picture. This means that we need to set aside our kaleidoscopes and look at what the academics and other legitimate news/research sources are telling us about race in America. Once we have done our homework, we need to be willing to listen to one another. This means instead of trying to "school" or "educate" someone, perhaps we should "engage" and "discuss". This is an important step because in America most change happens from the bottom up. Women and African-Americans and other important social justice movements didn't gain traction until whites signed on too. That happened once channels of communication were opened between the groups. What this recent poll shows me is that those channels of communication are no longer working. There's a disconnect somewhere. Until we get those channels flowing again we won't be able effectively examine the structural and cultural issues that keep people on the bottom and out of leadership and moneyed positions. Finally, people let's have an honest discussion about class in America and the role it places in our understanding of race. &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Many people are trying to engage in the race discussion in a thoughtful way, but lets be honest, it's easier to turn your kaleidoscope than to deal with the reality in front of you. You have more control over your kaleidoscope than actual, living people. Doh!&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-6458584767582249356?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/6458584767582249356/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=6458584767582249356&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/6458584767582249356'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/6458584767582249356'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2007/01/kaleidoscope-of-race.html' title='The Kaleidoscope of Race'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-6011084013148533160</id><published>2007-01-24T19:49:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-01-28T13:39:11.091-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='dancing'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Evangelicals'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='social justice'/><title type='text'>The Second Chance</title><content type='html'>So the other day I subjected myself to the treacly, christian, white privileged guilt movie called &lt;a href="http://imdb.com/title/tt0429068/maindetails"&gt;The Second Chance&lt;/a&gt;, starring Michael W. Smith. While it is very tempting to spend this post tearing apart this movie, someone else has done that for me &lt;a href="http://www.christiananswers.net/spotlight/movies/2006/thesecondchance2006.html"&gt;here&lt;/a&gt;.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Instead lets examine what this movie says about Evangelical culture of late. A much more interesting exercise.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On the heels of the 90's christian men movement, there has been a growing awareness of social inequality and racial reconciliation within evangelicals. What this movie shows is an extension of that awareness and that white evangelicals are in their own awkward ways, trying to talk about these issues. But more than that we see that more and more evangelicals are trying to engage more with American culture. They are slowly but surely moving away from the specter of Elmer Gantry and fallout that book and later the movie caused. Evangelicals are no longer on the fringes of of the mainstream. they are attempting to move into the middle.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Part of this move to the middle is finally starting to trickle down into the Bible Colleges. The New York Times ran an interesting article on &lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2007/01/28/magazine/28dancing.t.html?ex=1170651600&amp;en=3f1d182703b19406&amp;amp;ei=5070&amp;emc=eta1"&gt;dancing at John Brown University&lt;/a&gt; . Apparently conservative colleges in the Bible belt are finally allowing their students to dance, within limits, of course. This is a shift that i had observed occuring at Fuller Seminary among their younger students. Many there were dissatisfied with their fundamentalist/conservative christian background and were more willing to engage in the contemporary culture around them. So that this shift is finally being recognized by a major newspaper is noteworthy.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Here's the most illuminating statement from this article:&lt;br /&gt;"The students I met at J.B.U. were, for the most part, the kind of thoughtful undergraduates whom top secular colleges would be proud to have. They’re not Stepford students. In 2005, a political-science class at J.B.U. took a poll of 228 students, and while on most issues the students were conservative — very Republican, generally supportive of President Bush’s handling of the war in Iraq — 43 percent of the men and 55 percent of the women said they believed there were circumstances in which abortion should be permitted. When presented with the statement that “homosexuals should not be allowed to teach in high schools,” only 33 percent agreed. That diversity of viewpoints was what I expected after hanging out with these undergrads for a week. Most were not having sex, but some were; most did not drink, but many did. Most were disapproving of homosexuality, but one student sat down next to me, introduced herself and told me the story of her lesbian love affair in high school. The only thing they all agreed on was that there was something special about their campus culture, even the parts they disagreed with."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;There, you heard it from a Nytimes reporter, evangelicals are not a monolithic bunch. Nope, there is burgeoning diversity amongst the youngsters and this is a group that is paying attention to what's going on around them. And this is the group that are going to leading the church, once the boomers step down, doh!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So what does this mean in terms of the movie? Well in my mind, its a start. Hopefully evangelical movies and thought on race, social injustice and reconciliation will become more sophisticated, with more depth. 20 years ago movies like this were being made for tv, now they're being made for churchgoers. Made for tv movies have gotten a bit more sophisticated and the themes they started have leaked their way up to major motion pictures and impacted the wider culture. So, who knows, perhaps in a few more years this move will spark a more sophisticated dialogue among the evangelical leadership on social issues and theological engagement. Moving it from the academic and fringes to the mainstream.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-6011084013148533160?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/6011084013148533160/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=6011084013148533160&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/6011084013148533160'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/6011084013148533160'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2007/01/second-chance.html' title='The Second Chance'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-2634804570228558645</id><published>2006-12-27T19:50:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2006-12-27T19:54:18.220-08:00</updated><title type='text'>End of Year Hiatus</title><content type='html'>The foggy blogger is fogged out right now and will be back in 2007 with new materials and witty observations. Until then, Happy New Year!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Fogster&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-2634804570228558645?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/2634804570228558645/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=2634804570228558645&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/2634804570228558645'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/2634804570228558645'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2006/12/end-of-year-hiatus.html' title='End of Year Hiatus'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-3881091382389699092</id><published>2006-12-10T23:41:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2007-01-31T20:39:19.845-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Village'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Dog Whisper'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Child Rearing'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Tiny Terrors'/><title type='text'>Tiny Terrors and Super Nannies</title><content type='html'>One trend that i have been watching these past few years is the rise in parenting shows. The plot is always the same, distraught parents and kids that are evil incarnate. Then like an angel, salvation arrives on the wings of a nanny/psychologist/Mr T. Guess who the root of the problem is....the parents! Natch.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;As for solutions, they're almost all the same. Firm boundaries/rules/regulations followed up with real consequences. We watch the parents cry, have heartfelt, tear-filled conversations about their shortcomings and anxieties. We watch the kids have spectacular melt-downs and tantrums and then through the magic of TV have a moment and realization and turn into angels, who do their parent's every command.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;In looking at these show, some questions come to mind. When and where did we get to this state? Where is the community? Why must these parent's struggle alone? Didn't someone in their circle point these basics out to them? When did we need experts to tell us something that seems pretty basic.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;On second thought after watching the Dog Whisperer, it seems to me that the raising of kids and dogs seem to have &lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_0" onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)"&gt;alot&lt;/span&gt; in common....&lt;span class="blsp-spelling-error" id="SPELLING_ERROR_1" onclick="BLOG_clickHandler(this)"&gt;hmm&lt;/span&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Yet there's something going on culturally when we need these kinds of shows. Hillary Clinton said it takes a village, but many of us are not willing to let the village in. Or we only want to live in a village when its convenient and nice and warm and fuzzy. What this signals to me is that between divorce, suburban isolation and the rat race, we have forgotten how to live in a village and what it means to let the village raise our kids.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-3881091382389699092?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/3881091382389699092/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=3881091382389699092&amp;isPopup=true' title='1 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/3881091382389699092'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/3881091382389699092'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2006/12/tiny-terrors-and-super-nannies.html' title='&lt;a href=&quot;http://tlc.discovery.com/fansites/tiny-terrors/tiny-terrors.html&quot;&gt;Tiny Terrors and Super Nannies&lt;/a&gt;'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>1</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-1544056763763750931</id><published>2006-12-06T19:42:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2006-12-06T20:12:43.126-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Lost'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='Kim Family'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='tragedy'/><title type='text'>Tragedy in Oregon</title><content type='html'>Before I continue, a brief word on the Kim family. May God surround that family with love and wonderful caring people who can walk them through the loss of their father, son, husband. You will be in my prayers...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It seems as if every year there is always a case of a family lost in the woods. They make a wrong turn and get lost in bad weather. Its almost always someone from the city, not the woods, of course there are exceptions. In reflecting on this i am reminded of our fragility as beings of flesh and bone and how brains and ingenuity are no protection from poor, or ill informed choices that lead to tragic consequences.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;While it would be easy to get preachy right now and talk about staying on well trod paths and carrying enough food to feed yourself in such an emergency, I won't. Look, we need to be real and acknowledge that when people get lost in unfamiliar terrain, they panic and don't always make good choices. It seems to me that an easier solution would be to find a way to mark roads that aren't plowed and that people shouldn't be on in winter, unless you're a local. Or simply close those roads off in winter and keep people to the main routes. Seems like a simple solution to a deadly problem...right?&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-1544056763763750931?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/1544056763763750931/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=1544056763763750931&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/1544056763763750931'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/1544056763763750931'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2006/12/tragedy-in-oregon.html' title='Tragedy in Oregon'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-3914621566086823549</id><published>2006-12-04T00:15:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2006-12-04T00:46:34.069-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='class'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='media'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='children'/><title type='text'>Pediatricians Blast Inappropriate Ads</title><content type='html'>Today while trolling my favorite aggregator of news stories (google) I ran into this &lt;a href="http://www.newsday.com/news/health/wire/sns-ap-doctors-inappropriate-ads,0,3094535.story?coll=sns-ap-health-headlines"&gt;article&lt;/a&gt;. The opening line is "Inappropriate advertising contributes to many kids' ills, from obesity to anorexia, to drinking booze and having sex too soon, and Congress should crack down on it, the American Academy of Pediatrics says." (well duh!)&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What really chaps my hide about this is this response "&lt;em&gt;Jeff Becker, president of the Beer Institute, an industry group for breweries, said&lt;/em&gt; &lt;em&gt;parents have more influence than advertising on teens' decisions to drink&lt;/em&gt;" Which brings me back to an earlier &lt;a href="http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2006_11_01_archive.html"&gt;post&lt;/a&gt; in regards to a NYTimes story showing that poor kids have an upbringing that puts them at a disadvantage in the workforce.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Which brings to mind some questions; "How can we expect children, whose parents may lack the skills necessary to combat these ads, to be able resist their allure?" "What kind of society targets children, who don't have the safeguards of a middle class upbringing, to purchase or engage in unhealthy behaviors that will keep them trapped in a destructive cycle?" &lt;em&gt;(and we wonder why these people can't work themselves up or out?)&lt;/em&gt; My final questions are "What took the American Acadamy of Pediatrics so long and how come this isn't getting any more press?" Finally; "Where are the prophetic voices in our society who can speak up and out for those who are unable to speak for themselves?"&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-3914621566086823549?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/3914621566086823549/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=3914621566086823549&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/3914621566086823549'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/3914621566086823549'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2006/12/pediatricians-blast-inappropriate-ads.html' title='Pediatricians Blast Inappropriate Ads'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-1910815764701146818</id><published>2006-12-01T16:04:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2006-12-01T17:37:19.632-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='annoyance'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='work'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='sick'/><title type='text'>Annoyances In The News</title><content type='html'>I have to admit that i get really annoyed by how the press covers "evangelicals". Take this lovely gem &lt;a href="http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-ex-obama1dec01,0,1236060,full.story?coll=la-home-headlines"&gt;Obama discusses AIDS epidemic with Orange County evangelicals&lt;/a&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;It goes without saying that AIDS is important and that in Africa, it's a major problem. No arguement here on that, but why is it that whenever the press covers evangelicals and social justice, it's almost always with a sniff. Take this example "The pastor, dressed in blue jeans, cited the millions of African children from families afflicted with HIV." What does the pastor wearing blue jeans have to do with African people with HIV??? Do we say things like "Nancy Pelosi, wearing a suit, announced her candidate for speaker of the senate"?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Or even better "The senator did not shy away from remarks that might have discomfited his audience..." Has this guy not taken a look at recent evangelical publications? Um, hello, postmordernism, Gen-X ministry, renewed interest in social justice?? Evangelicalism is not the same thing as Falwell or Pentecostalism!! Why can't they send someone to cover these stories who has a clue as to what's really going on within american christianity and can tell a boomer evangelical from a millenial youthworker, who probably sports at least one tattoo or a piercing, if not both! So Obama speaking to a group of "evangelicals" about AIDS is not really that shocking. In fact i'm pretty certain that a fairly sizeable chunk of them agree with Obama and Rick Warren (after all they all buy his books!).&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But wait there's more!&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;I hate being sick and I hate it when sick people infect me. Of course if i infect them, that's ok...right? The San Jose Mercury ran a story titled &lt;A HREF="http://www.mercurynews.com/mld/mercurynews/16139089.htm"&gt;Growing problem: Sick workers who don't stay home&lt;/A&gt; &lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;What's funny, is that everyone agrees that this is a problem, but they could only find one company willing to compensate their workers enough so they keep their sick selves home...Google! Seems like a no brainer to me, if you want sick employees to stay home, don't penalize them for choosing to stay home. Right? Course i could get into the competitive nature of business and the breaking of the social contract, but i'll save that for later.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-1910815764701146818?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/1910815764701146818/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=1910815764701146818&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/1910815764701146818'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/1910815764701146818'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2006/12/annoyances-in-news.html' title='Annoyances In The News'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry><entry><id>tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-3729941127495665067.post-6084518412064873834</id><published>2006-11-28T11:13:00.000-08:00</published><updated>2006-11-30T11:00:33.744-08:00</updated><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='culture'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='class'/><category scheme='http://www.blogger.com/atom/ns#' term='poverty'/><title type='text'>What It Takes to Make a Student...</title><content type='html'>This week the New York Times Magazine ran a fascinating &lt;span id="intelliTxt" name="intelliTxt"&gt;&lt;span style="font-family:verdana,helvetica;font-size:85%;"&gt;&lt;b&gt;&lt;a href="http://www.nytimes.com/2006/11/26/magazine/26tough.html"&gt;&lt;span style="color:blue;"&gt;article&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/a&gt;&lt;/b&gt;&lt;/span&gt;&lt;/span&gt; on poverty, education and legislation.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;At first this looks like a typical NYTimes attack on the failing on No Child Left Behind and it's impact, but upon further reading there are several statements that really stand out and need to be examined further. Starting with this statement "By 2014, the president vowed, &lt;span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic"&gt;African-American, Hispanic and poor children&lt;/span&gt;, all of whom were at the time scoring well below their &lt;span style="FONT-WEIGHT: bold; FONT-STYLE: italic"&gt;white counterparts and those in the middle class&lt;/span&gt; on standardized tests, would not only catch up with the rest of the nation; they would also reach 100 percent proficiency in both math and reading." A great statement a great promise, but upon further reflection, this statement links minorities with poverty and white with middle-class. The great American divide White=wealth and Black/Brown=poverty. Later on our president is quoted as saying “I’m proud to report the achievement gap between white kids and minority students is closing, for the good of the United States.” What happened to the poor kids? Are they catching up?&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;But I don't want to spend this blog posting on racial and economic divisions. That's been done and at this point the dialog on that point is stalled, instead what's significant about this article is that it admits that poverty is more than just an economic condition, it's also a cultural condition.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"The academics have demonstrated just how deeply pervasive and ingrained are the intellectual and academic disadvantages that poor and minority students must overcome to compete with their white and middle-class peers. The divisions between black and white and rich and poor begin almost at birth, and they are reinforced every day of a child’s life."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;So it's going to take more than just bussing kids to better schools, you're going to have to teach them how to learn in that kind of school. It does no good to lead a horse to water, if they don't know how to drink from the pool. The article later goes on to show how little most poor kids are able to drink from the academic pool.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"Hart and Risley showed that language exposure in early childhood correlated strongly with I.Q. and academic success later on in a child’s life. Hearing fewer words, and a lot of prohibitions and discouragements, had a negative effect on I.Q.; hearing lots of words, and more affirmations and complex sentences, had a positive effect on I.Q. The professional parents were giving their children an advantage with every word they spoke, and the advantage just kept building up."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Notice this is a difference that transcends race, instead it is a class difference, let me remind you gentle reader that white people can be poor too, and perhaps it's not necessarily their fault...&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;"...Middle-class children argue with their parents, complain about their parents’ incompetence and disparage parents’ decisions.” Working-class and poor children, by contrast, “learn how to be members of informal peer groups. They learn how to manage their own time. They learn how to strategize.” But outside the family unit, Lareau wrote, the advantages of “natural growth” disappear. In public life, the qualities that middle-class children develop are consistently valued over the ones that poor and working-class children develop. Middle-class children become used to adults taking their concerns seriously, and so they grow up with a sense of entitlement, which gives them a confidence, in the classroom and elsewhere, that less-wealthy children lack. The cultural differences translate into a distinct advantage for middle-class children in school, on standardized achievement tests and, later in life, in the workplace."&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;How can we expect an adult who has been taught to respect his elders and not challenge the boss to succeed in a competitive business environment. What if that adult is a female? Two strikes right there, add race and forget it, it's 3 strikes, out. Often in the business environment people from this background are invariably perceived as not being intelligent, because their middle class peers are unable to look beyond the cultural conditioning.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The article goes on to detail how some schools are overcoming this divide, let's just say it takes a lot of work and you can't assume what the kids know, in terms of knowledge or behavior.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;Let's think about some of the other social consequences of this upbringing, teen pregnancies, gangs, drugs...? In this light, harder consequences won't work, because it's respect not social acceptance these people seek.&lt;br /&gt;&lt;br /&gt;The bottom line, you put your money where your heart is and if we in America want to get serious about poverty and racial inequality in this country, then we have to be willing to spend the money and the time and not expect any real results for several generations.&lt;div class="blogger-post-footer"&gt;&lt;img width='1' height='1' src='https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/tracker/3729941127495665067-6084518412064873834?l=fogsterblog.blogspot.com' alt='' /&gt;&lt;/div&gt;</content><link rel='replies' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/feeds/6084518412064873834/comments/default' title='Post Comments'/><link rel='replies' type='text/html' href='http://www.blogger.com/comment.g?blogID=3729941127495665067&amp;postID=6084518412064873834&amp;isPopup=true' title='0 Comments'/><link rel='edit' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/6084518412064873834'/><link rel='self' type='application/atom+xml' href='http://www.blogger.com/feeds/3729941127495665067/posts/default/6084518412064873834'/><link rel='alternate' type='text/html' href='http://fogsterblog.blogspot.com/2006/11/what-it-takes-to-make-student.html' title='What It Takes to Make a Student...'/><author><name>Foggy Blogger</name><uri>http://www.blogger.com/profile/08180973047842348759</uri><email>noreply@blogger.com</email><gd:image rel='http://schemas.google.com/g/2005#thumbnail' width='16' height='16' src='http://img2.blogblog.com/img/b16-rounded.gif'/></author><thr:total>0</thr:total></entry></feed>
